Micheal Flaherty on Dawn Treader’s Box Office and the Undragoning

Just in time for today’s Blu-ray/DVD release of The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, ChristianityToday has posted an interview with Micheal Flaherty, Walden Media president. Flaherty reiterates that they are making The Magician’s Nephew next because they believe it will draw the largest audience. When asked about Dawn Treader‘s box office performance, he says “international box office was so strong—three times the domestic. We always look at these things from the international standpoint, that cumulative number.” At the end, he says they take the opinions of the “Narnia police” most seriously.

A couple highlights:

On the undragoning: “What’s interesting is that when you read the book, you actually don’t see that scene; Eustace just recounts it when he gets back in the boat. We wanted to show it, but what we ended up doing was reinforcing that message when Eustace says later, “No matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t do it myself. And then he came towards me. It was a good hurt.” Visually, I was pleased with it. But yes, there was a response where people wanted to see lion paw firmly placed in dragon flesh and ripping it off. That was a common disappointment.”

On Aslan’s dialogue at the world’s end: “With all the Aslan parts, particularly the dialogue, there’s always a very spirited and healthy discussion, and generally any time there’s a discussion, the tie goes to C. S. Lewis. So we always come to the agreement, ‘Listen, let’s not think that we can reinterpret this and do a better job than Lewis. If we disagree about this, if people think there are different ways to say this, let’s just make sure we preserve what Lewis said.’ That’s a mistake we made with Prince Caspian, where we changed Aslan’s dialogue with Lucy.”

Read the full interview

228 Responses

  1. Starlily says:

    Well, this sounds somewhat encouraging…or at least not DIScouraging. How come every time there is an interview with someone involved with the Narnia movies, they sound like they care a lot about keeping the spirit of the books, and respecting C. S. Lewis, and they sound so conscientious about everything–and yet it doesn't come across in some places in the movies? I feel that they really capture the spirit of the books in some places, but in others they miss the mark completely. It always surprises me because in the interviews they sound so dedicated to making good movies and good adaptations. Maybe it's because there are so many different people to please when making a movie. *Sigh*

  2. Pepper Darcy says:

    hmm, well MN should be highly interesting. But I just heard last night that they're talking about a Dec. 2013 release… and… that could be very dangerous. Hobbit 2 comes out in 2013. And how many people are seriously going to watch Narnia over a Hobbit movie that EVERYONE and their grandma has been waiting for since 2003?! *blinks owlishly* I LOVE LotR/Middle-Earth. And personally I'd sooner see that then Narnia. But I'll definately see Narnia. But all the same, doesn't mean I wanna see it slaughtered… :'( I'd like to see SC and LB. HaHB is a tad less important to me, storywise, though I know it's important to lots of people out there… but wow. I was just hoping to see the movies, not see the demise! :/

  3. Third Comment, again… It's bad that their thinking of releasing it when the Hobbit 2 comes out, but I would reather see MN than H2, since I never saw the first one anyway… 🙂

  4. Farsight mssngr says:

    Fourth to comment! Wait! They mean that MN will be released 2013 or worse 2014? It's not in the power of Hobbit's box-office (even thou it will make a better gross than MN, not for sure) but why are they doing it farther? they can release it in summer 2012, or early december but not in the same year the Hobbit's release. If they will release MN really far from 2010's VDT, some fans of Narnia can forget the story. and the gap is really too far. Narnia had the 2-3 years gap, but they must begin to film the Magician's Nephew. For me Narnia chronicles is far better than LOTR for Narnia have a great christian studies and moral lessons. Well, what matter what happen, I will be longing to see MN in the big-screen and I will fully support Narnia franchise! GO FURTHER UP AND FURTHER IN FOR NARNIA FRANCHISE!

  5. reepicheep's_fangirl says:

    Interesting…
    I'm a little nervous whith where all this is going: back to the VERY beginning, when we were closer than ever to the end, after SC, LB comes. However, I'll have to admit, i'm just glad that there's going to BE another movie. Happy VDT on DVD Day, btw! I'm wearing my Aslan shirt and Narnia silly bandz to commemerate the day! 😉

  6. Narnia Fan says:

    I am with you!! NArnia is way much better!! than LTR!!! GO NARNIA!!!

  7. Mayor Wilkins says:

    "And how many people are seriously going to watch Narnia over a Hobbit movie that EVERYONE and their grandma has been waiting for since 2003?!"

    I'm probably going to see them both more than once. 😉
    And I've been waiting for "The Magician's Nephew" since 2005.
    I must have Tilda Swinton playing a live Jadis again.
    Whoot!!! 😀
    Oh, and, if Moonwood shows up….
    John Cleese too. 😉 LOL

  8. Not Of This World says:

    I like what he had to say. Ecspesially th part of the undragoning. Wow! Guess what! As I'm writeing this, a Narnia commercial just came on for the DVD and Blueray that comes out today!

  9. Mayor Wilkins says:

    "Has your Magician, your Uncle, power like MINE???"
    I am so psyched for "MN."

  10. What's still frustrating me is that they found an excuse for the movie's disappointment that has nothing to do with them. The Narnia franchise box office isn't falling in America because of any book sales correlation. It's falling because of the way the movies are made/marketed.

    I still love the movies, but the more they emphasize money or "popular characters" over a quality movie, the less money they will actually make.

  11. Watziznehm says:

    Very well said! (Though I have a slightly different opinion of the films.) It makes no sense to blame the books popularity! Eragon is a pretty popular book, but the movie didn't do well in theaters because it was poor quality! Therefore, I'm a little uneasy that he's insisting on side stepping the fact that they didn't make a top notch film.

  12. Clive Staples Sibelius says:

    Michael Flaherty said: <<"Visually, I was pleased with it. But yes, there was a response where people wanted to see lion paw firmly placed in dragon flesh and ripping it off. That was a common disappointment.”>>

    I have to take Mr. Flaherty to task here. Seems like he's having a joke on some fans, saything they wanted to see fleshly violence. That isn't necessarily the case. What we wanted was a real, moving undragoning FOCUSED on the undragoning. What we got was a rushed, namby-pamby undragoning that was focused on fighting the green mist.

    I have outlined in another place how this could have happened. Mr Flaherty is right in saying we don't "see" it happen in the book, but nevertheless it is described. My suggestion would have been to have Boy Eustace have that much-missed conversation with Edmund. Having brief flashbacks to the actual event, you can avoid all the skin tearing but still show Dragon Eustace skin-less, and DO show Aslan drag him and drop him into the pool. This is not hard. Even the BBC version showed these events without going all R-rated on us. Grow a backbone.

    Of course, that would have required them to follow the book on a major major point, and that apparantly is out of the question.

  13. Patrick says:

    I can’t see the release date being that much of a problem were LOTR The Hobbit is concerned, they have their fans and Narnia its own. Personally I like and can’t wait to see both and as The Magicians Nephew is my favorite of all the books could not be happier. However we do need Tilda Swinton (who I read is eager to reprise her role as the white witch) and Jim Broadbent as professor Kirke.

  14. Nick says:

    Yeah, if they cared that much about the entire movie, it'd be so much better. I'm glad they preserved Aslan's dialog, but they could have done the same with everyone else.

  15. Nick says:

    Exactly. I'll probably see both at least four times.

  16. Peter says:

    Perfectness is impossible. I was very grateful that voyage of the dawn treader [movie] didn´t change the essence of voyage of the dawn treader [book]. In my opinion this is something, which DID happen in Prince Caspian. The whole Suspian romance was PULP. Fanfiction about suspian is ok, but in a film adaptation? That's stupid! But voyage of the Dawn Treader returned to the essence. Maybe Aslans claws clawing of the dragons hide would make the movie 12+ and no longer a family adaptation. And that would be a shame. And perhaps some deals had to be made. If I had to chose between Aslans words at the world's end and the 'clawing of scene' the choise would be easy. Aslans words at the world's end!!!

  17. 8SilverSky says:

    Every now and then I see comments telling that the undragoning was rushed and incorrectly timed. I have to disagree.

    The battle is going on and the audience (we) is wildly anticipating what's going to happen. However, we also know that Eustace is wounded and is not doing "well". At what seems to be a climatic point in the battle, we cut to the undragoning: a moment of noise and crazy to a moment of quiet and serious. We know something important is about to happen. Otherwise we would never have cut away from the battle-scene at all. It works really well.

    Remember, LWW did the exact same thing: Peter's army clashes with the Witch's army, and after some crazy fighting shots, all of a sudden we're back to Lucy and Susan, who then witness Aslan's resurrection. That was very well done.

  18. Shastafan says:

    They take the "Narnia Police" most seriously? I'd like to agree with that, but VDT doesn't prove that…

    Anyhow, at least the kept Aslan's lines the same at the World's End. That was a relief! And even if the undragoning wasn't the best, I hope people don't see it as Eustace earning it.

  19. Arvan says:

    There's no way they could release another movie next year. These things take a long time to make.

  20. Arvan says:

    That battle should not have even been there, and even so, the undragoning really was rushed. Aslan's resurrection scene is so long that I forget about the battle and actually get caught up in the scene I'm watching. That's good film making. In VDT, I didn't have time to forget about what was happening elsewhere. Indeed, a huge problem with VDT is that we hardly ever get a breather; there's always something big happening. (Also, having Eustace taking part in the battle really does make it look like he earned his undragoning.)

  21. 8SilverSky says:

    I agree that the undragoning scene could have benefited from some extra screen time.

    I'm okay with the placement of the battle with the sea-serpent in the movie: if they really had time constraints for the total run of the movie, then another scene with the sea serpent would only have added to the already quick pacing of the movie. Combining the sea-serpent with Dark Island was a well-thought out solution.

    No matter how long Aslan's resurrection scene was, it was still a very small scene compared to the rest of the Battle of Beruna (which, logically, should not have been there either).

    Eustace earning his redemption is a different topic, but I don't think it feels like that. Eustace (cowardly) flees from the battle clearly not wanting to be a part of it any longer, leaving the rest of the crew to fight for themselves.

    Nonetheless, I still really like how the undragoning was adapted; it's probably in my top 3 favourite scenes of VDT.

  22. MasterBJ says:

    Wonderfully said, in my opinion out of all the Narnia books VOTDT was and will be the hardest to make. I just hope they make it through all of them.

  23. High Queene Shelly Belly says:

    I'm sure the main concern is to make them mainstream friendly, with light christian undertones, to be able to get the movies out to general theatres, and be able to keep the series going in this secular world , instead of them just being small market christian flicks ala "Fireproof". But , after the monster success of Passion of the Christ, I think the wiser path would have been to go full force christian and rally the troops that supported POTC.

  24. High Queene Shelly Belly says:

    yeah, i dont think in this day and age people can't fork up another 9 bucks to see both. it's not like we are in a third world country living on 30 cents a day.

  25. High Queene Shelly Belly says:

    hey!! where do you ger narnia sillybands from???

  26. High Queene Shelly Belly says:

    if the undragoning scene was any shorter, it would have needed to come with cliff notes to understand it. look at the wiard of oz, when dorothy is back home in bed at the end. feel how time is giving for the audience to digest the scen.e and let it sink into their hearts. then by the time comes for the last line, "there's no place like home", you FEEL it WITH her, not just observe it. Timing is everything, and the undragonibng was like a blip that barely gave your soul time to digest it.

  27. 8SilverSky says:

    Yet the undragoning IS memorable.

    I haven't seen The Wizard of Oz. Eustace, like Dorothy I suppose, has some quiet time at the end of VDT where he hangs up the painting, reflecting on the things he learned in Narnia and respecting them. Everyone will remember that the turning point of his character was the undragoning. It's not a scene that easy to forget, and that is what's important.

  28. ANÓNIMO says:

    I HATE JUSTIN BIEBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  29. BFF of Aslan says:

    Hold up there, Peter. The Suspian romance wasn't all that bad. I mean both the actors (Anna and Ben) make Susan and Caspian look much older (and they are). I mean, if they were as old as Susan and Caspian were in the book, that would be something to complain about. But they were both in their twenties. Does the romance really need that much complaining?

  30. FOG (friend of God) says:

    I like how smoothly he talks. I think that everyone did a lovely job of all three movies. I know how difficult it can be adapting a slow-going book. "Slow-going" as in you read a chapter and are satisfied then you read the next with the same effect.

    I would have preferred to hear from Andrew Adamson, though, on his thoughts about the movie. I'm sure he sat back and watched the movie thinking, "Now I would have done that differently" or "That wasn't quite what I would have gone for". I know I would have been the same way.

    I'll have to watch VDT tonight one more time to give my full opinion on the movie in its entirety. I plan to write a review ASAP after that. I've gotten my whole family and friends excited about this film. And I have had several "Come to Jesus" talks with the people who didn't like one thing or another about the movie.

  31. FOG (friend of God) says:

    Don't say "hate". Inside he's probably the same as you. Maybe you just don't like the music. Just keep praying for him though. I'm sure he needs it. 🙂

  32. High Queene Shelly Belly says:

    if they did, it's their own predjudice which leads them to misinterpret it.

  33. High Queene Shelly Belly says:

    JESUS loves him. justin is your brother. and brothers over look each others bad music. LOL

  34. ken says:

    Personally I found Aslan clawing the sand while Eustace feels cuts on his dragon skin one of the most profound moments of the story. I am very glad they showed this scene.

  35. Braden Woodburn says:

    Very interesting. I just got back from Walmart and bought the 2 disc pack. I didn't want just the movie itself, so I wanted the 2 disc packd with the extras and although it would have been great to have a 3 disc, one of those was for a bluray, which I dont have so it would be pointless. Still, I hope Dawn Treader does well on sales now that it is out today!

  36. Twinimage says:

    Always nice to hear such remarks about these scenes, but that doesn't really make what they did to the rest of the scenes in the films any better.
    It's like an alcoholic saying they recognize they should stop drinking and that they want to stop, but they keep drinking none the less… ok, well, something like that. ;P

  37. Fireflower says:

    I am WAY glad they didn't have Aslan actually rip the dragon skin off of Eustace-dragon! Even though that's what in the book, I think it would have made me sick watching it!

  38. Peter says:

    I like complaining, so I complain. Nope, just joking. I am replying to BFF of Aslan now. My problems with suspian romance:
    –> Aslan seems to separate two people who are starting to love each other > That makes him seem cruel.
    –> I don't like romance. For me it spoils an adventure.
    –> age isn't an issue for me. But the actors are playing younger people. The movies aren't called "Liam Neeson, Tilda Swinton and the carved earthern wardrobe", "Prince Ben Barnes" and "The voyage of the dragon-head ship". So if age was an issue, your argument wouldn't hold.
    –> Susan became a spoiled brat and Peter a haughty naughty king in Prince Caspian. This instead of the gentle warrior queen, and the courageful warrior king they are in the books. Well they have a nasty side in the books, but this nasty side gained to much attention in Prince Caspian. Well this probably doesn't totally make sense, but I felt the ballance was totally unballanced in Prince Caspian. I try to make clear the reason, but I have difficulties, as you see. Anyways, I digged up this old cow to tell everyone I liked VOTDT, and why I liked it. Or something. I probably am making this post very off topic. *sweatdrops himself*

  39. Peter says:

    Supported POTC?!?!? Pirates of the Caribean?!? O wait… I see now –> Passion of the Christ=POTC. Stupid of me. I still post this post, for people that have the same weird misunderstanding.

  40. Clive Staples Sibelius says:

    There's more than one way to skin a dragon. I just don't think they came up with the best way in the movie.

  41. Queen C The Gentle says:

    OMG…I just finished watching VDT on Blu-Ray, this is my 1st time watching it and I'm still crying…Ed+Lu not reurning to Narnia?Pete+Su weren't in the movie very long…and Caspian has grown into a man.

  42. Lucia says:

    i think they did it well better than PC in VDT.
    I don't know it was the best,but anyway,I love Aslan!!!

  43. Shy Galadriel says:

    How could you dislike SuCaspian more than an extremely weak plot device like the Green Mist? I mean, it ruined the whole movie. It made the characters exceedingly shallow (all they're after is another rescue rather than honor, glory and adventure.) And even though I really didn't like the angsty-teen thing that Peter had going in PC, at least they did an alright job of it acting and directing-wise. In VDT the only (human) character that I was happy with the development was Eustace. Lucy's development was forced, Ed's was practically not there, and Caspian's was (was he even in that movie? I missed any development of his.) You get my point, PC may have taken liberties with the book (which I didn't like); but at least it was an alright (although not a great film). VDT was just a pretty bad movie.

  44. Generally I loved Aslan's dialogue at the end. Almost exactly like the book and gave you that strange sense like OMG he's in our world too?! His chat with Lucy in PC was okay, a little cut short of what the book said, but still close and seemed good. And the paws in the sand thing was good, in my opinion, but since the movie was too fast paced it got sped up too and dissapointed people.

  45. narnia luver says:

    The best overall movie was And always wil be lww, it just has that magic feeling: ))

  46. You're right, Starlily. If they don't think they can do better than C. S. Lewis, then why did they basically change the story line of VDT? And Aslan's dialogue with Lucy was the least of the problems with PC.

  47. Yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes!!!!! That conversation between Edmund and Eustace was what the undragonning really lacked! I personally wouldn't have minded if they hadn't showed the undragonning at all, just the conversation where Eustace tells Edmund about it, how he couldn't do it on his own, and then Edmund shares that he was once a traitor. I think the whole movie lacked a bond between Edmund and Eustace – they never really showed a huge relationship between the two in the film, and I missed that from the book. The whole thing would have been much better had they not been in the midst of battle in the first place.

  48. BreehyHinnyBrinnyHoohyHah says:

    True…Although I loved Fireproof and Facing the Giants, which actually did really well, considering. They made those movies just few hours away from me, and I supported them as much as I could. I do the same with all the Narnia films. I also try to buy things like soundtracks and I bought the PC Wii game, to support Narnia! But Passion had a much more adult audience to support it, and most un-cultured adults don't even know Narnia has christian themes…ugh.

  49. stateofgreen says:

    I strongly agree with Clive Sibelius and Ionic Bonding Rocks too on their views of VDT! A lot of interesting relationship dynamics between Lucy, Edmund, and Eustace from the book simply were not explored in this movie. I can't believe Mr. Flaherty says they listen to the Narnia police?

    An Edmund and Eustace scene after the undragoning would have had so much heart in it. I was expecting as much as when Edmund was redeemed in LWW and had the scene where he remeets his family. Those sorts of scenes give a movie emotional intelligence, quality, and HEART! Plus I agree they didn't want to go in depth with any character development at all. I would gladly have character development with heart over dragon flesh ripping or green mist battles any day.

  50. stateofgreen says:

    Yes there was a complete lack of creativity in not showing the undragoning in flashback. That could have been done very well with Eustace telling Edmund about it and going to flashbacks about his undragoning without any sea serpent battle at all. But that would mean following the original book plot….

  51. Peter says:

    I liked VOTDT better. The mists were actually well found. You can't forget this: a fireman and a cop rescue people all the time. And it doesn't take the honor and glory out of their job (I think). Jay, I just made an allegory of an allegory (forgive my bad Dutch). The green mists stretched the truth of the island of fear Lewis wrote about. That is true.

    I think the only less perfect thing of Lewis's VOTDT book is this: many things happen, and there is little room for character development. Lewis introduces Eustace and he develops his character very very very well. If you read the book very little happens with Ed and Lucy. If I remember correctly. Sometimes story development (which in my opinion was great, Eustace was the shining star with Reepicheep) makes up for a not so great character development. I think it was a great movie.

  52. Clodsley Mole says:

    "Right, but you know what? It's those Narnia police types—the people who understand these books and who love Lewis—that we really pay attention to. There's a lot of people who want to see these films succeed. So when folks who really know Narnia see it and don't like it, we take that a lot more seriously than we do the reviewer who doesn't really have a real interest in the book…. So we try to err in the direction of the people that love these stories."
    Mr Flaherty could have listened to us a lot more carefully while finalising the VDT script. He really could have done.

  53. Non-negotiable Comment says:

    Q: "So what kind of reaction are you getting from those people about Dawn Treader?"

    A: "There's agreement that we are getting things right thematically. In terms of Reepicheep with that Aslan-size hole in his heart, getting that right. In terms of Eustace talking about no matter how hard I tried I couldn't do it myself, the idea that redemption is something that has to be given; it can't be earned. For the most part people have agreed that we've done a good job with those themes."

    WHAT?!!??!!?

    I would characterize Eustace's redemption as conflicting and somewhat ambiguous. What he said about it, and what he appeared to have to DO for it, seemed to be at odds with each other. But, at least that's debatable. He can make an argument for that position. I grant that. I wouldn't refer to that sequence as "a good job", but the mediocrity of the overall effect of it was not entirely unexpected, so it didn't bother me irreparably. The portrayal of Reepicheep's longing for Aslan's Country, however, was a COMPLETE AND UTTER FAILURE of this film. I would say it was the primary deficiency of the script. And that's saying a lot.

    That was NOT the Reepicheep of C.S. Lewis. Like everything else in the adaptation, he was sedated, dulled, sanitized, misused, ignored, and his contribution almost completely wasted. Mr. Flaherty seems to be a nice enough man, and he claims to want the films to reflect the books. But, when I read something like that, it's very hard to have any faith in the people guiding this ship.

  54. As I said below, I probably wouldn't go to see the Hobbit 2, since I never saw the first one. But let's say I do go see it. Let's say there are 5 people in a family. If the whole family goes to see both movies, that's $90. But if the whole family go to the matinee(it's like $5 or $6 in my local movie theater, let's say it's $5) it's $50. But, if I wanted to see both movies sooo bad, I would pay for my own movie ticket(regular $18, matinee $10). Anyway, I really want to see MN, so GET IT GREEN LIT ALREADY!!! 😛

  55. Anhun says:

    You obviously don't have any brothers. 😛

  56. Anhun says:

    The problem isn't the lack of policing. It's a lack of inspiration. They had a lot of the nuts and bolts of VDT in there, but there wasn't a strong artistic vision.

    I had no problem with their depiction of the undragoning, I just didn't like the fact that they took out the conversation that happened after wards. I think if the undragoning had been chopped up and told in flashback, it would have lost a lot of it's impact.

  57. always narnian says:

    I thought that too! They didn't think they could say it better than Lewis? Well it sure looked like they thought better than him, and it turned into a huge mess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! C.S. Lewis' work was BRILLIANT! DO they realize how confusing the movie is for people who haven't read the books, and how terrible Aslan was portrayed????

  58. always narnian says:

    I agree with Pepper. Narnia will get smashed by Hobbit. That's no joke. Not like I like LOTR over Narnia, but they actually followed the books pretty well….Narnia hasn't (exception of LWW being pretty good).

  59. always narnian says:

    YES! They NEEDED the conversation between Edmund and Eustace. It was such an important & amazing talk! It was so awesome…So good allegory. 🙂 I was not pleased AT ALLL with the undragoning in VDT…..:P

  60. Queen C The Gentle says:

    Georgie and Skander if you're reading this then I would like you to know we all love you and will miss you in the Narnia series.