Interesting Tidbits On Rhince and Rynelf
Georgie Henley chats with Arthur Angel (left) and Tony Nixon (right)
From the blog of Mirko Grillini (who plays “The Belligerent Telmarine”):
Arthur [Angel] plays Rhince in the film, joining the crew on board of the Dawn Treader to begin his voyage looking for his wife.
Narnia has now reopened the door to [Tony Nixon’s] screen performance abilities with his role of Rynelf, the right hand of Captain Drinian (played by Gary Sweet). He is effectively my boss on the boat
For those of you who follow the discussions on the forum, we’ve long suspected that Rhince might be the father to Gael based on the video clip here where the two jump off the side of the ship to swim out to Gael’s mother.
We’d also noticed that Rhince never appears in a typical sailors costume unlike the rest of the crew, and rather appears to be a blacksmith or some other craftsman.
So this blog has confirmed that the role of Rhince has been changed from the book and Rynelf will be taking his place as First Mate. Should be interesting to see how they do this come Dec 2010!
Huge thanks to icarus for the find!
Totally agree with you…too Telmarinish. Doesn't remind me much of the golden age of Narnia… 🙁
At least Rhince's wife isn't the LoTGK herself, it could be worse. And this better explains the presence of Gael. I can't feel bothered by this switch because I barely remember Rhince and Rynelf beyond being generic sailors. I remember Pug and Gumpas better. As with what glumPuddle said, if this change to the plot emphasizes the theme of "longing" in VDT then fine by me. We won't know until the movie comes out of course. For the record I loved the Night Raid in PC. The concept of failure is hard to express in a 3 minute montage, which is what would have happened if they did it exactly like the book. The Night Raid and the aftermath expressed failure perfectly. For everyone who wants the film to follow the book down to a T…forget about the movies, that ship sailed with LWW and it isn't coming back. Frankly I like it that way.
Don't forget the Island of dreams! And the Albatross! And the Beginning of the End of the World! And the end of the world! And the lamb! And…well, there's so much I want them to get right…oh,well. We can't be too picky, or we'll never be satisfied with it.
Narniamiss: I have to disagree with you about people liking the story as it is. I know a couple of people who can't finish VDT or the Chronicles in general because "they're boring" yet they managed to finish LWW and PC because they read them in the context of the movies. Basically by having seen the movies first and liking them, they got through LWW and PC because in their minds they were interpreting the characters and story the way they were portrayed in the films. Going from film to book made it more enjoyable.
I think that's the largest target audience where the Walden Media movies are concerned; it's great if the general movie goer loves the film, even better if it motivates them to read the book. For strict unchangeable fans of the book, it's great if you come out to see the movie anyway, even better if you happen to like it.
That part, throwing Gumpas out, Deathwater Island, and Caspian trying to be smart about a kiss ending the enchantment for me. I can already hear Ben Barnes' Caspian trying to be smooth and I love it.
I think he looks like Josh in Valediction/Locked In.
Oh wait.
I'm not hot on the general look of the leather armor either, but plate and chain mail at sea is a terrible idea in practice.
Glozelle was going to be killed in the very last battle scene of PC. It was Glozelle's actor who suggested to Adamson that Glozelle be redeemed.
Hey, can i join the glumpuddle fan club here? 🙂
excellent points, everybody. I know what everybody's getting at. I felt like the land of Narnia was changed forever after the golden age, in LWW. People never forgot the four siblings who ruled justly with the blessing of Aslan, kind of like the way our entire world was changed forever with the coming of Jesus Christ (Aslan's sacrifice…). I feel like future generations of Narnia always held a kind of reverence for the kings and queens of old…they became legendary and a part of the identity of the people of Narnia. With that in mind, I felt like later books in the series portrayed a kind of awe for the past, but that this respect and reverence didn't make its way to the films, e.g. PC. Of course, maybe it just may have been difficult to portray that realistically but I was disappointed how the Pevensie siblings and Aslan were just treated like any other teens or nice uncles would have been treated in any other movie. At least, that was the effect given by Peter's attitude, his mistakes, Susan/Caspian, etc. I felt like the filmmakers didn't really capture the atmosphere of rulers returning from the past to help people out of hard times and oppression…brandishing swords doesn't make it convincing enough. I hope this whole speech didn't sound too abstract or something…changes are good and necessary but the essence of the message should definitely not be messed with.
I agree. I know I get many charactors confused in books when they have similarly spelt names. But I do hope they keep more to the book on this film. They most likely only tell the things that are not in the books to stir people who love the books, like us, up. Don't dwell on this too much.
that was powerful, long live king skander! thats exactly what im looking to, the whole essence of the story. yeah the #1 thing that bothered me the most in PC is that the pevensies became more like "teenagers" than returning royalty. in LWW, they were innocent, young, strong, and together. in PC it almost felt like they were actually drifting away from eachother, and werent the family team they were in LWW. and they had teen attitudes like peter did and teen emotions and situations like susan did and it just turned them into annoying tennagers that were just messing things up than royalty returning to their kingdom and helping the narnians. they didnt have that, well, royalty essence about them. maybe lucy, but even she seemed as if she was drifting away. they needed more aslan, and i bet if they had done that it would have changed the whole movie. which is why im hoping VDT will be okay because there's even LESS aslan in it than PC.
Long Live King Skandar — are you saying that it seems to you like the Pevensies were more immature in PC than they should have been? Then I agree.
sounds like the beginning of a whole other tale
I agree with glumPuddle. I just wish they made a new character for this instead of using Rhince.
I don't mind some changes to the book, as long as they're good. I did like the Night Raid, it made PC more interesting, as opposing to the book where some parts just flatline. But I hope they don't change things too much.
narnian resident, thanks! I agree with the points you made as well. Narnia and Narnians are simply not the "typical" moody-teenager type movie material, and I feel like a lot of PC was just an attempt to be like the rest of the movies being made out there. I was like, "come on people for the love of Aslan get it RIGHT!!!!" lol
Lady Galadriel-yeah, that's pretty much what i was getting at. I would of thought that the events of LWW would make them grow stronger and closer together, but I didnt see much of it except for Edmund helping Peter out and standing up for Lucy. That was about it, from what I can think of right now.
Making the Pevensies act like perfect mature adults without weaknesses in PC would contradict the book. You paint the Pevensies as if they are flawless individuals which even the books tell us they are not. If they were so "mature" in PC how can you explain the Pevensies dismissing Lucy to the point that it makes her cry? In my opinion their maturity shines in the second half of the movie, particularly after the threat of Jadis underscores how they've been going about things the wrong way. The deleted Picking Marshalls scene has Peter telling Caspian "Narnia's future is in your hands." while Caspian is worried about Peter having to duel. This has the spirit of the book, it's just a shame it was cut from the film's running time.
I really liked the scene in the book of Wimbleweather having made a mistake during a battle and being so sad his tears nearly drown some of the Talking Mice, but I can see how that might be too comical or even too "cartoonish" to put into a movie with human actors and real violence. For me, in the books there's a disconnect between the reality of blood and death and the way it's handled by the characters. That's why I love changes like the Night Raid, it's not in the book but it managed to translate the dramatic effect of loss in place of Wimbleweather weeping.
So I'm really hoping this thing with Rhince and Rynelf is to translate a theme or the spirit of the story but we won't know till we see it.
Haha Ariel of Narnia…I like that term, Supian…think I'm going to use it from now on 🙂 And you're 100% correct about the changes; the most disappointing for me, even more than Supian, was the way Aslan's role was so significantly diminished. He became more of a friendly uncle/nice-old- man-next-door type person who loves to help others but can't always do so. Are you kidding me?? Aslan is THE lion, the TRUE king of Narnia, and all he as to say is, "We can never know what would have happened, Lucy"??? What happened to his greatness and wisdom? ok, deep breath..but yeah, what you've said is totally true.
Lol Caspian, are you trying to be like Puddleglum? I always liked the way he talked. We'll have some rain today, I shouldn't wonder. Unless we get a tornado, or a flood, or a hurricane…
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Hmm, interesting. Well, although I don't like deviations from the book, I have to admit I liked Glozelle being nicer, because I like it when baddies turn good (which is why I also like the minotaurs). But I still hate annoying little changes like Rynelf and Rhince's roles being switched…
Nobody ever said that the Pevensies have to be perfect and make all the right decisions all the time. They're only human. What I think people have been saying is that the way some of them were portrayed as any other typical teenager would be in other movies was disappointing for some. So much time is spent in PC where they're just fighting (amongst themselves or with the Telmarines) that the audience didn't really get to see how each individual has grown since the time of LWW. Besides, this whole conversation was started reminiscing about the golden age of Narnia, not pointing fingers at PC's faults; see for yourself. As for Lucy crying when being ignored, nobody said the others were mature. The whole point was that they were trying to be, and in doing so they made yet another mistake. You are perfectly right in saying that the encounter with Jadis was a major turning point; it shows how especially Peter and Caspian start to realize they'd been as stubborn and at fault as the other. Sheesh, didn't want to start an argument. We're all Narnia fans, for goodness sake.
Oh yeah! They totally have to keep that part in! It's clever and funny. I'll be surprised if they don't keep it.
"For me, in the books there's a disconnect between the reality of blood and death and the way it's handled by the characters."
I've experienced that too. So when I watch the movie, I cringe when I see Reepicheep and Caspian killing people, but I realize they did that in the book too. C. S. Lewis kind of glossed it over. That can be both a good and a bad thing…
Yeah…how would you swim (if you had to) with all that bulky chain mail on? Everything just looks really drab and like you said sort of impractical. Except when they fight the sea serpent. hopefully that scene is done well–not overdone, but convincing and adding to the adventure mood of the whole movie.
I'm seeing people saying they acted like "typical teenagers" yet dismissing what Lucy saw to the point of making her cry is "typical teenager" behavior. I am kind of glad they didn't make it so dramatic in the movie because it felt almost cruel to me in the book. Sibling tension was downplayed to emphasize the message of faith. In any case this was in the book, therefore the criticism of their being typically teenager with teenage emotions in the movies must apply to the book as well, but I am interpreting the commentary here as if people think that behavior is only in the movies. Regardless of that, I am definitely in huge disagreement about the Pevensies overall acting like "typical teenagers" in the PC movie and in the PC book, moreso in the movie than in the book. Even adults, generally good leaders, will have quarrels and trouble with emotions. Strengths and weaknesses in all areas make a character rounded. Honestly, the Pevensies are not the Goonies which doesn't make the Goonies any lesser for it, but they are by far more "typical teenager" than the Pevensies ever will be.
Starlily: It's on the audio commentary for PC. Favino had pitched the idea to Adamson that Glozelle survive the battle because Favino had developed his own idea of who Glozelle really was. I enjoyed the way it turned out too, the same way they made Prunaprismia not a despicable person. Every Telmarine can't be a bad guy or else they would have had a coup d'etat against Caspian already.
I think the most confusing thing about the Rhince and Rynelf situation is switching out the First Mate but there might be something else to the situation within the story that we simply haven't discovered yet.
Haha RD's witty reply to Caspian is probably one of the few glimpses we get of her having an actual personality.
Starlily: It's definitely one of the challenges of adapting a fantasy series geared towards a younger audience while tackling the more 'adult' concepts in it that can be glossed over in words but not as easy to gloss over in film. I don't think I'm the only person who kind of cringed when Rabadash said "For I must have her as my wife, though she shall learn a sharp lesson first." To an older reader that line combined with Rabadash's horrible personality can make you think of grave consequences. Similarly I can't imagine how they would put Aravis' getting her back slashed due to her servant getting whipped on film without it scaring younger audience members. At the same time cutting out that scene or toning it down graphically would seriously downplay the seriousness of it.
Thank you for the info, tenthofthatname. And as I said, I'm glad they made more of the Telmarines good, or else it wouldn't make sense Caspian being the only noble one.
And you're right. There might be a reason for the Rynelf/Rhince role reversal. It doesn't bother me terribly much, but it seems kind of silly right now…
You're right, I never thought about the scene with Aravis! That could be hard to put on screen.
But you know, I think it's kind of a good thing that C. S. Lewis mixed some adult concepts into his stories, because now that I'm older I can see them and think about them more in depth.
Which, as I said before, could be a good AND a bad thing…
Does anyone know what "The Belligerent Telmarine" is all about?
Any change they make to the movie that is different from the book is a sign of a lack of creativity on the part of the film makers. There was something in the book that they didn't know how to fit onto the big screen, but instead of coming up with a creative solution as to how to fix the problem, they just change the story, or change the characters, to fit whatever it is they need (or want) to do with the movie.
Where in the book was there ever a man looking for his wife? Where does he intend on finding her? A deserted island? What an idiotic idea. These film makers can't come up with a story that is even half as decent as that of C.S. Lewis, so why not just stick to Lewis's original writing for crying out loud?
I know! I don't remember that…
HELLO!?!?! WHAT IS THE LEAKED SCRIPT? sheesh, it's like we're invisible or something!
Nathan, I understand how you feel about this, but would like to ask you to give the moviemakers a little more credit. They have to consider their entire audience, and not just the adamant Narnia fans. Along with that, even authors tend to change the story slightly when it is translated onto screen. Take Cornelia Funke, for example, who wrote Inkheart. The movie was inherintly different from the book, yet Cornelia Funke was the producer of the movie and highly involved in the making of it. Even I, as a writer and an aspiring author, would do things a little differently on screen. Books are not movies, and movies are not books. There are some things you can do in books that simply won't work on screen, no matter how creatively you try to do it, and vice versa. I'm not saying that I think C.S. Lewis would approve of it, because I don't speak for him. However, his stepson, Douglas Gresham, probably has the best understanding of what Jack would have wanted more than anyone else, and he is highly involved in the making of the movies and highly approves of what has been done. Yes, sometimes moviemakers go too far with some of their adaptations, but that doesn't mean they are not creative. Sometimes being creative means having to come up with something new yet similar because the original simply won't work. I'm not trying to shoot you down or anything; you make some very good points. All I'm asking is that you be a little more open-minded.
Also, on your comment about Rhince looking for his wife, I have a hunch that she would have been taken as a slave to the Lone Islands. If that is the case, they probably did it to add to the deeply emotional impact of the Lone Islands and the abolishing of slavery. With Edmund's, Lucy's, Eustace's, King Caspian's and Reepicheep's capture, we get some sense of the seriousness of the matter, but we only get a brief glimpse into the impact slavery has had on people. With this added element to the story, we get a better insight on the toll the slave trade was taking not only on the people of Narrowhaven and the Lone Islands, but on the mainland Narnians as well. (Although I must say I wish they had used some other character other than Rhince. That, in my opinion, is crossing the line and overdoing the adaptations. Oh, well).
Sorry about that. The leaked script was this early script for the movie, whether it was fake or real, that somehow got into the hands of the public. It caused quite a scare. And for a good reason, too. The plot involved the Lady of the Green Kirtle, searching for the North star or something like that, and several other things that leave a bad taste in my mouth. I think they even included a crush Lucy had on Caspian. I won't go into any more details. In essence, it was enough to make any Narnia fan choke, shudder, or even have a stroke.
Don't forget, C.S. Lewis felt that "growing up" meant finding your inner child. Didn't he tell Lucy that he hoped she would eventually be "old enough" to read children's stories again? Perhaps he included adult themes so he could connect with adults as well as children, so that anybody could read it no matter their age.
what is the leaked script? i'm dying to know!! someone answer me please!
where can i find the leaked script? or is it that bad?
I like this change… I never found them to be very interesting persons in the book, and I'm glad they are changing the crew a bit so that it is more diverse crowd of characters… this is sounding really exciting!
They are so liberal with the story!!!
I will enjoy the movie with the changes as they stand now, but no more!
No actually Aslan said something very similar to this in HHB, only it was more like "That is not for us to worry about" (to that effect)
They diminished his role in PC, but never really changed it.
So he starts our the voyage looking for his wife, and his child is with him? Interesting..very interesting..
I like the idea of the story being changed a little. That way we have the books and we have the movies. Its like an expansion of Narnia. The more the better as long as it is not totally insane!
Of course! The music at the end of the world is my absolute favourite bit! I was just emphasizing on the bit with Lucy and the book because I could see it going horribly off-track and ruining the moment entirely. I mean they could make it all about Lucy being jealous of the fact that Caspian "liked" Susan (when he doesn't "like" Lucy in that way) and not her, subsequently, she wants to make herself more beautiful than Susan because she thinks that then Caspian will "like" her. That would sicken me and ruin the POINT of the temptation. The point was: Lucy felt like Susan was always gushed over and admired and Lucy just wanted to be in the limelight and outshine Susan (which was a childish, selfish thought and thats why Aslan stops her). She then feels like she missed out and does the knowing-what-your-friends-think-of-you spell instead and finds that she really didn't like what she heard. I just want the focus kept on Lucy's personal struggle and Aslan's guidance rather than creating a love triangle!
http://mirkogrillini.blogspot.com/2009/11/on-set-of-narnia.html
That's the best I have to offer. I think the sign is pretty funny and hope the title is a casual joke. Maybe being belligerent was part of his audition? I like it when even the side characters with lesser roles receive real names though.
I agree with Silver the Wanderer: what they add is far less important than what they take out. My biggest fear is that VDT does not have as much of an action-based climax like the first 2 books, but instead has more personal & religious themes (Eustace, Reepicheep)–considered "boring" by today's filmmakers for big-budget movies. They could get away with huge Lord of the Rings-type battles in the previous films, but to do that here would change the whole point of the movie. For me, the best scene in PC was where Peter & Susan come to understand they're leaving Narnia for the last time.
WHAT!!!!!!! THEY CAN'T HAVE A CRUSH ON EACH OTHER?!?!?! AND THE LADY OF THE GREEN KIRTLE DOESN'T EXIST YET! WHERE'S THE LEAKED SCRIPT? I HHAAVVEE TO SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly … which I don't want!
No. The book is the standard. C.S. Lewis made Narnia, why does it need expanded by those who did not write it? I am satisfied with the books
Well said, Lillyput90.
As I have been seeing of the comments thus far there seems no small amount of worry over the content of the book being severly damaged.
Such an alteration would greatly cheapen, as well as distract from the true "message" of the scene, as it was written.
"what they add is far less important than what they take out."
Exactly Right!
Without the key scenes of spiritual change, Eustace's dragon skin(sin) shed by Aslan, Lucy confronted by Aslan over jelousy, King Caspian being humbled by Aslan, etc, would we truly have reason to watch it?
yeah. maybe he just joined the dawn Treader in hopes of finding her.
This all probably leads up to the whole "save narnia blahblahblah" thing, not just a random subplot. I hope.
If you read a post of mine above this, my theroy is that he loses his wife mysteriously and thinks sailing on the Dawn Treader will allow him a chance to find her.
Far fetched. But it's the only idea I have.
Yes, but I thought of something.
Susan was amazed somewhat at Caspian when she first saw him. But because the filmmakers made the little change to have the Pevensies meet Caspain earlier, that gave Caspian and Susan bonding time they did not have in the book. And that led to the kiss.
I'm suspecting that, like Suspain, this is part of a bigger picture.
Oops. I wrote SusPAIN. Sorry. I meant Suspian. (No, I didn't do that on purpose. But still… *snickers*)
Reading summeries left by people who have seen it will be enough to scar Narnianuts for life.
I'm with Ariel.